Response from Goldberry:
I’ve sometimes wondered about Tolkien’s ideas about why the Ring is
evil - Was it his intent to say that having Power itself automatically
corrupts, and anyone who possesses Unlimited Power will eventually lose
their morals, and force their will on everyone else? Is Frodo’s gradual
succumbing to the Ring a sign that he is thinking about all the things
he could do with unlimited power?
Or is it something inherent in the One Ring itself – like a virus that
gets into the mind and cuts off the real person? Is the Ring an animate
being that somehow robs the one who wears it of his soul? Why it is
that some can avoid the temptation and others not?
The Ring had no effect on Tom Bombadil. Was this because he has
everything he wants in life, and the idea of power was meaningless to
him? Or maybe he is more powerful that the Ring? Faramir (book) and Sam
also seem to be very resistant to the temptation of the Ring. Is this
because they also don’t seem to care about having power in their daily
lives?
Then there’s Gollum, who seems to be in love with the Ring, but never
tries to use its power to control other beings – why doesn’t Gollum
ever try to assert himself as a King or another Sauron? All he seems to
want to do with it is to take it to an underground cave, and put it on
to be invisible – to catch food. To me, he almost seemed like the best
(safest) Ringbearer of all of them.
Response from Lindorie:
The Ring is an animate being, of a sort. Gandalf tells us that the Ring
abandoned Gollum...allowed itself to be lost and then found by Bilbo.
Until that point, Gollum had indeed been the safest Ringbearer, but the
Ring had become aware of the increasing power of its Master and needed
to return to him. It could not stay with Gollum any longer.
Tolkien says in his letters that: so great was the Ring's power of
lust, that anyone who used it became mastered by it; it was beyond the
strength of any will to injure it, cast it away, or neglect it.
I don't think that Sam or Faramir were as effected by the Ring because
of the time they were in contact with it. Sam did notice feelings of
wanting the Ring when he wore it, but was able to surpress those
feelings and determined to not wear the Ring any more. Fortunately he
did not need to. I am afraid that if he had had to carry the burden any
longer than he did, even simple Samwise would have succumbed. Remember,
Frodo actually carried that Ring physically for nearly six months and
had been subtly influenced by its proximity for some 17 years previous.
Sam had only had six months of being in its close proximity and a day
or so as its keeper.
Faramir was able to deny the Ring most nobly, but how long would that
have gone on. If Faramir had gone to Rivendell instead of Boromir, he
too would have been influenced by the Ring. Not so spectacularly,
perhaps, as his brother, but he would have been influenced, as would
they all. The Ring would have chosen one of them to break, to enable it
to get closer to its Master. If not Boromir, then perhaps it would have
been Pippin, Merry, or Gimli. It WOULD have done something to force
Frodo to get it closer to Mordor.
Bombadil...now he's a hard one to figure because we don't know just
what he was. Even a Maia could be influenced by the Ring. Gandalf
feared that it would take him, if he held it, but we don't know if
Bombadil was a Maia. Would he have been influenced...we really don't
know. Gandalf and the Elves speculated that he would not. It seemed
that he was not effected by it when he held it in his house, but again,
length of time and proximity. He was only near the Ring for a day or
two at most and in its posession for a very short period of time. What
would have happened if he became a keeper of the Ring, we really have
no idea. It may, in fact, have had devastating influence upon him.
Thankfully we did not have to find out.
Again, Tolkien himself said that it would master ANYONE. The One Ring
was definitely a character more than a thing in its ability to control
others.
Just did a little more reading and found this interesting passage from
Tolkien's Letters regarding what might have happeened if Frodo had
claimed and kept the Ring and Gollum was destroyed. When leaving
Sammath Naur, Frodo would have encountered the eight remaining
Ringwraiths and...
The situation as between Frodo with the Ring and the Eight might be
compared to that of a small brave man armed with a devastating weapon,
faced by eight savage warriors of great strength and agility armed with
poisoned blades. The man's weakness was that he did not know how to use
his weapon yet; and he was by tempermant and training averse to
violence. Their weakeness was that the man's weapon was a thing that
filled them with fear as an object of terror in their religious cult,
by which they had been conditioned to treat one who weilded it with
servility. I think they would have shown 'servility'. They would have
greeted Frodo as 'Lord'. With fair speeches they would have induced him
to leave the Sammath Naur--for instance 'to look upon his new kingdom
and behold afar with his new sight the abode of power that he must now
claim and turn to his own purposes'. Once outside the chamber while he
was gazing some of them would have destroyed the entrance. Frodo would
by then probably have been already too enmeshed in great plans of
reformed rule--like, but far greater and wider than the vision that
tempted Sam (III 177) -- to heed this. But if he still preserved some
sanity and partly understood the significance of it, so that he refused
now to go with them to Barad-dur, they would simply have waited. Until
Sauron himself came. In any case a confrontation of Frodo and Sauron
would soon have taken place, if the Ring was intact. Its result was
inevitable. Frodo would have been utterly overthrown: crushed to dust,
or preserved in torment as a gibbering slave. Sauron would not have
feared the Ring! It was his own and under his will. Even from afar he
had an effect upon it, to make it work for its return to himself. In
his actual presence none but very few of equal stature could have hoped
to withold it from him.
He goes on to say that of all the others, only Gandalf would have had a
chance to defeat Sauron if in posession of the Ring and facing Sauron
and says:
If Gandalf proved the victor, the result would have been for Sauron
the same as the destruction of the Ring; for him it would have been
destroyed, taken from him for ever. But the Ring and all its works
would have endured. It would have been the master in the end.
Gandalf as Ring-Lord would have been far worse than Sauron. He would
have remained 'righteous', but self-righteous. He would have continued
to rule and order things for 'good', and the benefit of his subjects
according to his wisdom (which was and would have remained great)
[the draft ends here. In the margin Tolkien wrote: 'Thus while Sauron
multiplied [illegible word] evil. he left "good" clearly
distinguishable from it. Gandalf would have made good detestable and
seem evil.']
Oooh creepy!!
Response from Ladyhawk:
How terribly sad and frightening. It would have broken Frodo. I seem to
remember that somewhere in Tolkien's letters he mentions that he
believes Frodo would have come to himself, even without Gollum, and
thrown himself in to destroy the Ring.
Response from Rogorn:
About
the quote from LOTR: ‘
But
great as the pressure was, he felt no inclination now to yield to it.
He knew that the Ring would only betray him, and that he had not, even
if he put it on, the power to face the Morgul-king – not yet.’
For those who think Frodo would have mastered the Nazgul, in Tolkien’s
letters there is one about an ‘alternate ending’, featuring a face-off
between Frodo and the Ringwraiths. It is quite long, and deals with
several points. Check it if you can, I think it answers several of your
points [letter 246 if you have the book]. Lindorie has already posted
one bit, and I would like to add another:
‘The Ringwraiths were naturally fully instructed, and in no way
deceived as to the real lordship of the Ring. The wearer would not be
invisible to them, but the reverse; and the more vulnerable to their
weapons. But the situation was now different to that under Weathertop,
where Frodo acted merely in fear and wished only to use (in vain) the
Ring's subsidiary power of conferring invisibility. He had grown since
then. Would they have been immune from its power if he claimed it as an
instrument of command and domination? Not wholly. I do not think they
could have attacked him with violence, nor laid hold upon him or taken
him captive; they would have obeyed or feigned to obey any minor
commands of his that did not interfere with their errand – laid upon
them by Sauron, who still through their nine rings (which he held) had
primary control of their wills. That errand was to remove Frodo from
the Crack.’
About the figure robed in white, I think it’s Sam’s vision, he didn’t
actually saw it. This is a fantasy tale, but I don’t think Frodo
‘magically’ changed into a figure robed in white, anymore than Sam
actually changed into a Mighty Gardener – he didn’t SAW it, he had that
VISION. Notice that the perspective of the narration changes from the
neutral omniscient narrator to Sam’s point of view. It doesn’t say
‘Frodo changed into a figure robed in white, which Sam saw’, but ‘Sam
saw these two rivals with another VISION.’
Besides, this would fit with the way the Red Book of the Westmarch was
[supposed to be] written, by Frodo with addenda from others. This would
be a point in which Sam would have to have told Frodo want he was
seeing while he was talking to Gollum, so that Frodo could write it
down. Otherwise, how would Frodo know how Sam saw him?
This doesn’t detract from your view on the ordeal Frodo was going
through, though.
About when you say:
‘I don’t feel that in this instance Frodo is
very similar to Gollum at all. I see Frodo in a far superior state to
that of Gollum.’ Tolkien says that Sauron’s deceit ‘leads the
small to a Gollum, and the great to a Ringwraith.’ Frodo would be
somewhere between both, I suppose.
About: ‘It sounds (reads) to me as if Frodo has a knowledge of the
growth of the power of the Ring within him. Does anyone else see this
in this light?’ Tolkien says: ‘Frodo had become a considerable person,
but of a special kind: in spiritual enlargement rather than in increase
of physical or mental power; his will was much stronger than it had
been, but so far it had been exercised in resisting not using the Ring
and with the object of destroying it. He needed time, much time, before
he could control the Ring or (which in such a case is the same) before
it could control him; before his will and arrogance could grow to a
stature in which he could dominate other major hostile wills. Even so
for a long time his acts and commands would still have to seem 'good'
to him, to be for the benefit of others beside himself.’